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Stella (Mainz, Germany)

The US $ and the Future
19th June, 2002

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juttafranz: Hi! Everybody!
missnaranjahit: Hi Carl, Hi Franz.
juttafranz: I have a brief introduction -- not quite so short -- and then
we could discuss fervently.
carlzim: Hi Franz, Jutta, Stella.
juttafranz: Hi! Jutta!!
carlzim: Proceed, Franz.
missnaranjahit: Ok please let's start. Is Jutta here`? I don't see her.
juttafranz: When you are all ready, I will gladly begin. Wait, Jutta receives
no messages, is logging in again!
carlzim: I don't see Jutta.
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juttafranz: There she is now!
missnaranjahit: Hi Jutta!
jutta_schmitt2002: Second try. Hello all.
jutta_schmitt2002: Hello Stella. Hello Carl and Franz.
jutta_schmitt2002: Now I can read you.
juttafranz: When you are all ready, I will gladly begin.
carlzim: Hi, Jutta.
jutta_schmitt2002: Hello Carl, good to see you! - Okay, I am ready,
Franz.
carlzim: Proceed, Franz.
missnaranjahit: Franz please begin! I am ready.
jutta_schmitt2002: All settled for your introduction.

juttafranz: Folks, just some general comments and remarks before
we get down to critical critique. To cure a patient in the loony bin,
you need a psychiatrist, and not a CEO, similarly, to analyse the pathology of the
$US you have to be an expert in political economy,
and not in sex tourism. Each level and degree of human essence and existence has
its own logic, expression and cure. Mixing up things,
like in ideology, or newspeak, or CNN news, may very well end up
with disinformation, ignorance and a total mental holocaust.

juttafranz: In the same way that we thank archaic hieroglyphics for having originated
the modern American language today, similarly,
thanks to Adam Smith's national economy that we have neo-liberalism, thus also,
historic thanks to Marx, Engels, Lenin, Rosa Luxemburg, Bucharin, Kautsky,
Hilferding and Mandel that we
can enjoy "obsolete" political economy and economic politics today, brought "up-to-date"
with which we can precisely analyse the real, true, current grimace of contemporary
global fascism.

jutta_schmitt2002: If Iris was here, she would have given us a lecture
on the "up-to-dateness" of Adam Smith, Franz.

juttafranz: I'll post slowly, to enable you to read, because the stuff is unusual and
somehow complicated.

jutta_schmitt2002: (Iris, we hereby salute you, and your special
friend, Adam Smith!)

juttafranz:
Just to give an example, apart from predicting this global barbarism
already a century-and-a-half ago, in Capital Marx inter alia explained
the developmental laws of capitalism as follows: 1. the concentration
and centralization of capital; 2. the progressive proletarianization of
the working population; 3. the growth in the dualistic organic
composition of constant and variable capital -- the former gets more complex,
computers, etc; the latter alone produces surplus value);
4. the global tendency of the average rate of profit to decline; 5. and,
the global objective socialization of production. Believe it or not, on
all scores, historically, he got "A" grades.

jutta_schmitt2002: Franz, even Newsweek recognizes the historic,
politico-economic magnitude of Marx. A grades on all fronts.

juttafranz: Those that say that Marx is obsolete, probably never ever
had Capital, Volume I, in their hands.

missnaranjahit: 3. Point I do not understand, please explain constant / variable
capital, thanks.

juttafranz:
Concerning No. 1, Corporate America proves his prediction to the
hilt; No.2, one must be as blind as an Orwell zombie, not to see the
progressive, geometric growth of pauperization of more than 80%
of the world's working population, especially in the Mideast, Africa,
Asia, Latin America, the Caribbean and Oceania.

jutta_schmitt2002: (Constant capital = machinery, buildings, technology,
natural ressources.
Variable capital = living labour force =
salaries.)

juttafranz:
No. 3 & 5, just study the relations of physical and intellectual labour,
social property and production today, and we'll see -- although he
foresaw everything -- what Marx in his wildest dreams could not
imagine; No. 4, where are the good old days when the Dutch East
India Company annually was still making 500% profits?

juttafranz:
These days, a corporation has to be happy if the world average is
10% : in the USA, "at the macro level, figures show that since 1997 profits as a
proportion of GDP have steadily declined." (Nick Beams) Also: "According to
the US economist Fred Moseley, the rate of profit
fell from 22 percent in the late 1940s to 12 percent in the mid-1970s
— a decline of almost 50 percent." Thus, the rate of decline of profits
is at the same time the decline of capital accumulation, the demise
of the system itself. (See: [Marx, Capital, Volume III, pp. 253-254]

jutta_schmitt2002: Which also proves the law about the rising organic
composition of capital, Franz: With ever more technology and
ever less living labour force employed, the profit rate tends to fall inexorably.

carlzim: Adjustments as intellectual labor becomes predominant, and galactic
replaces global economy.

juttafranz:
On what is the US $ based? "With imports exceeding exports by
about one third, the US has been running a balance of payments
deficit of more than 4 percent of gross domestic product,
requiring a foreign capital inflow of more than $1 billion a day to
finance it." (Beams)

missnaranjahit: Jutta, why is technology constant capital, could it not be
developed further?

jutta_schmitt2002: (Don't forget, an ever smaller percentage of the worlds
working population is being employed by the few, gigantic
corporations that "own it all", so to speak.)

jutta_schmitt2002: It is a "constant" with regard to the financial calculation,
Stella, within a given production circle.

jutta_schmitt2002: Has to do with the "Amortisierungsperiode des fixen Kapitals".

juttafranz: Now, concerning our central topic:
What is happening with the $US currency vis-a-vis the Euro?
It takes on "Third World" dimensions, "long-time Australian
economics analyst Max Walsh commented in an article in the
Bulletin magazine of June 4 that while the US dollar was anywhere between
15 and 30 percent overvalued ...." (Beams).

carlzim: Participation in a viable market ensures against poverty.
Today only a few participate in a viable market.

jutta_schmitt2002: And the question is, what is a "viable market", Carl.
Viable for whom?

juttafranz:
Of course, this all, including the corrupt Enron collapse, can only be
understood "by examining it within the context of the historical
development of the capitalist economy, in particular the post-World
War II period." (Beams). After enjoying a "boom", in the last 25 years,
starting with the global recession of 1974-75, profit rates are
estimated to be around half what they were in the earlier period,
living standards have remained stagnant or even declined and unemployment
has been higher." (Beams)

jutta_schmitt2002: Agreed, Carl. That may be a couple of hundred persons
on the planet, or less, vis -a vis 6 billion.

juttafranz:
The politico-economic-social essence, the Damocles Sword hovering
above the fascist global system, he described as follows:
"Under this system, production is not carried out to increase social wealth
or meet social needs, but to expand capital through the
accumulation of profit. This process takes place from capitalism’s
birth until its death. The crucial issue, which determines its state of health in
any period, is the rate at which this accumulation occurs.
That is, in the final analysis, the 'breathing' of the capitalist
economy, the business cycle, expresses the rate at which this accumulation,
indicated by the rate of profit, is taking
place."

juttafranz:
Concerning the tendential laws mentioned above, and the problems of
manual and intellectual laber today, Beams explains:
"this increase in the productivity of labour has a contradictory impact
on the rate of profit. To the extent that increased labour productivity drives
labour out of the process of production it tends to lessen the
mass of surplus value and depress the profit rate. However, to the
extent that increased labour productivity enables increased
extraction of surplus value from those workers remaining in the production
process, it tends to increase the mass of surplus value, leading to expanded
capital accumulation."

jutta_schmitt2002: Yes - that is, what profit production is all about. Producing
profits in the first place - forget about the "necessity
myth".

juttafranz:
Finally, labour production, capitalist production is approximating
its limits, its omega of concentration and expansion. The brutal
subordination of the production of Croesusian wealth to the
extraction of private profit has now reached such an advanced,
corrupt state of decay that "democratic" electoral fraud and reckless
deception have become its fascist global, militarized modus operandi.

juttafranz: Yes, global politics and economics are corrupt, fraudulent, theft,
genocide and holocaust, all in one, the Unomnia of our Global Armageddon!
That's all folks!!!

jutta_schmitt2002: Thanks for your introduction, Franz. Condensed,
cand ontaining a LOT of problems!

Tue Jun 18,2002 -- The EU heads of state are to decide at the Seville
summit later this week the exact date of the enlargement, amid
contradictory interpretations by EU states and candidates of the promise
for the candidate countries to join EU in 2004. A top European Commission
official said on Monday that it is highly unlikely that the EU states
agree to accession on January 1; enlargement will happen in the summer of 2004.

carlzim: This will be the only aspect of enlargement the EU leaders will
discuss at Seville, as they will refuse to enter negotiations over
granting direct payments for farmers of the future EU countries, which
would bring the summit to a deadlock. Talks on direct aid are currently
blocked due to resistance by Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden to
granting subsidies to new countries' farmers.

missnaranjahit: Thanks for the intro Franz. I have to admit that I have
nearly zero insight in economy.

juttafranz: Stella, your first political economy classes have begun, ask
your questions now!

carlzim: The EU heads of State are to
decide whether up to ten candidate countries will join on January 1st
2004, as candidates hope, or by the summer of 2004, as many EU countries
plan. "It would be a total surprise for me if the EU countries agreed with
letting the candidates in as of January 1st," a top official of the
European Commission said. "It would be a good surprise, but I think it is
almost impossible," he added. The EU leaders committed themselves at the
Göteborg summit in June 2001 to the candidates participating in the
European Parliament elections as full members. The elections are set to
take place in June 2004, so an accession ...

jutta_schmitt2002: Stella, I will just now try to make a summary. Let
Carl proceed with his introduction.

carlzim:... before the summer is unlikely, as
it has never been promised.

carlzim: The Spanish presidency has proposed, in a
report for the EU heads of state in Seville, that accession Treaties with
the ten candidates be signed in March 2003, "thus making it possible the
entry into force by January 2004." However, a majority of EU states are
likely to oppose this promise. "For us, accession of candidates was always
planned for the summer 2004, and not before," a French diplomat told the
EUobserver on Monday.

carlzim: Amid tense negotiations on agriculture and fears the
negotiations' timetable could be delayed if no agreement is reached on
time, and if EU states do not show flexibility, candidates would have no
choice but to accept the accession date the Summit in Seville will give
them. The ten countries which are eligible for accession in 2004 are the
Czech Republic, Cyprus, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta,
Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia.

jutta_schmitt2002: Thanks, Carl - the (roughly) "Eastern Expansion"
of the EU. - Here is where, in the mid and long term, the
"economic rivalry scenario" will gain momentum. The EU has been
emerging (and will continue doing so) as an economic rival to the
US; which the latter one has, ever since the breakdown of the Soviet
Union, tried to "contain" with different moves.

"This is a growing situation that
more and more is presently coming to light. Our Central bank has been
bankrolling the American expansion cost for some time now, after the banks
in Japan begin withdrawing finances from bad investments in the US. Their
was then created a vacuum for investment, our banks then filled in the
empty spaces for them (American investment houses).

carlzim: The EU heads of state are to
decide whether up to ten candidate countries will join on January 1st
2004, as candidates hope, or by the summer of 2004, as many EU countries
plan. "It would be a total surprise for me if the EU countries agreed with
letting the candidates in as of January 1st," a top official of the
European Commission said. "It would be a good surprise, but I think it is
almost impossible," he added. The EU leaders committed themselves at the
Göteborg summit in June 2001 to the candidates participating in the
European Parliament elections as full members. The elections are set to
take place in June 2004, so an accession ...

jutta_schmitt2002: The post WWII order, characterized by sort of an
"equilibrium" of the internationally operating capitalist system,
has collapsed with the breakdown of the Soviet Union and given way to
an entirely different, highly instable structure. This has to do
with various factors, which I will resume as follows. ...

juttafranz: Carl, due to this "European Union Enlargement to Take Place
by 2004", obviously, the "greatest terrorist danger" for the
American "war economy", for the over-production of dangerous weapons
of mass destruction, is coming. In the end, corresponding
to the global economic development, the two Titans will face each other.
Surely, on the battle-field, but much more in the
transvolutionary creative "War of the Galaxies".

carlzim: Now the payment schedule is due, and where are they going to get the
payment money? Credit is a wonder thing of fantasy, but, it is made of
nothing and is worth nothing. The bills are coming due and no payment is
forthcoming.

carlzim: Yes, it is true, our euro is based upon real production value of gross
national worth. We scream and complain over a 2% increase of inflation,
but, we work harder to out put more product to pay for this increase. Now,
are we being required to shoulder the American debt on top of our home
troubles? I for one hope not. We have an election due this September and
with this, will be our fortunes."

Yes, it is true, our euro is based upon real production value of gross
national worth. We scream and complain over a 2% increase of inflation,
but, we work harder to out put more product to pay for this increase. Now,
are we being required to shoulder the American debt on top of our home
troubles? I for one hope not. We have an election due this September and
with this, will be our fortune."

jutta_schmitt2002: We have repeatedly stated, that we are witnessing in our
("post-Soviet") times, how an extended phase of the
labour process, where the exploitation of natural ressources and physical labour
force had dominated, has come to an end and given
way to a different, increasingly prevailing structure, where the exploitation of
social ressources and intellectual labour force is
dominating. Brought about by profit production and accelerated by ever more
rapidly renewing technological revolutions under the
wip of the still remaining competition, we find ourselves in a peculiar transitional
period - with peculiar economic, political and social
problems - , towards what we have called "post-production" or "creation" ....

jutta_schmitt2002: The peculiarity of these economic, political and social
problems consists in their having a literally global impact,
and occuring with a never before seen magnitude, manifesting themselves
in one, big, economic, political, social (and natural =
environmental) crisis, expression of the limits of unbound international
profit production or the "system as such", the autodestructive
tendencies of which have come to openly manifest themselves.

juttafranz: It's strange indeed that Europe which had its ravaging, raping
turn should appear as a totality on the global battle-field again
-- one would have thought that a new dynasty would come -- perhaps the
Yangtse-Kiang Fu Manchu -- but, it seems that this will
not be so.

jutta_schmitt2002: In the past decade (after the collapse of the Soviet Union),
as I said, the temporary, economic and political
"equilibrium" of the internationally operating capitalist profit system collapsed,
especially in the wake of the constant revolutioning of
the production process with new, globally expanding technologies that gave rise
to the "new economy" and new demands for the
effective internationalization of capital flows. The entire international financial
system grew increasingly instable and culminated in the
infamous "Asian Crisis".

juttafranz: But, it is not so much Europe, it is Germany, looking for the Fifth
Reich, after the USA one has vanished. It has reichlich
experience in such things.

carlzim: On Asian TV channel-Demobilized Chinese troops form businesses
before they remove their uniforms.

jutta_schmitt2002: What concerns the USA, in the decade of the 90's, its
external debt was constantly growing, reaching 2.19 trillion
dollar by the end of the year 2000, and 2.60 trillion one year later, equalling 22
percent of the gross domestic product. This, in turn,
equals two thirds of the worlds capital compromised in the US. In barely a decade,
the US has become the world's largest debtor
nation. In addition, its trade deficit requires a capital input of 1 trillion dollars
daily in order to finance its deficit of balance of
payments.

jutta_schmitt2002: The underlying problem of the entire, international economic
and financial spectrum has to do with a discrepancy
between capital growth from strictly financial operations and capital growth from
a real increase in productivity, expressed in terms of
the real surplus value obtained from the ever scarcer, living labour force ---
what Franz noted in his introduction. Finance capital
represents an "anticipating grip" on surplus value that is yet to be obtained,
and does not reflect the real productive reality (measured
in the growth of the gross domestic product).

carlzim: Folks:
After chat, listen to the Diane Rehm talk show on USA National Public
Radio (NPR) using RealPlayer. Great alternative discussion
of major current issues:
http://www.publicradiofan.com/cgi-bin/program.pl?programid=31

jutta_schmitt2002: Thanks Carl, we'll give it a try (does not function very
well with my computer) ...

carlzim: Folks: After chat-For the photos and discussion, visit the Flight
Simulator Forum, Good Kill Bar Grill folder, Something Very
Interesting thread at:
http://forums.delphiforums.com/flight/messages

juttafranz: Now, just imagine, Jutta, if the rate of accumulation of surplus
value, of profits, approximate zero soon, and then?

carlzim: "Many of you know that a few weeks back our Government
arrested one Jose
Padilla because they believed he was attempting to commit a terrorist act
in America using a "dirty Bomb" (conventional nuke of sorts) below is a
picture of (him the drawing to the left is a police
sketch taken from dozens of witnesses immediately following the Oklahoma
City Fed building bombing; these witnesses reported seeing the man in the
drawing before and after the bombing in the company of one Timothy
Mcveigh.

jutta_schmitt2002: The big corporations themselves are getting ever more
dependent on the operations of financial capital (flow of
funds into the market, speculation) in order to maintain their profits, rather
than obtaining their profits from real growth - extraction of
surplus value from the living labour force, which is increasingly difficult
because of the overall diminishing of the labour force
employed (see above), and the increased technologization of the production
process itself, due to its specific, "internal dynamics".

carlzim: I would venture to say that "there is a strong resemblance" is a complete
understatement, if this ...is the guy in the drawing (the middle eastern
man people reported seeing with Mcveigh), then we have an Al Qaeda
connection to the Oklahoma City bombing which possibly makes the WTC
attack the 2nd (or even 3rd) attack by Al Qaeda terrorists within the
United States borders."

jutta_schmitt2002: On an international scale, the entire structure of the
financial market is comparable to an improportionate mass of
"virtual capital" resting on a rather small basis of real surplus value, which
gives rise to an explosive instablitiy, as financial capital is
volatile and moves from one market to the other. And, of course, with ever
less real surplus value obtained from the ever decreasing,
living labour force employed, accumulation perspectives are rather dim, Franz.

juttafranz: OK, complete your arguments, Jutta, and then, we could look at
my question above: "Now, just imagine, Jutta, if the rate
of accumulation of surplus value, of profits, approximates zero soon, and then?

carlzim: For galactic economy--Planetary ystem that Resembles Ours-from
a forum:

"After spotting dozens of planets in exotic orbits, scientists have found a
planetary system with a familiar look.The announcement came as astronomers
described the discovery of 15 new planets in other star systems, including
one similar to Jupiter around a sun-like star.Known as 55 Cancri, the star
system is about 41 light years away and will likely remain a place of
particular interest as astronomers begin to look for planets like Earth in
the coming years."

juttafranz: Well, with your last posting, you said it; in fact, the $ lives in that
world already -- soon everybody will enter a global
economic virtual order.

juttafranz: Space travel, discovery and colonization, Tesla Technology, Carl?

jutta_schmitt2002: Carl, with the USA facing, as other nations do, too,
the world economic crisis, dim perspectives for capital
accumulation, a probable devaluation of its currency, a rather strong
competitor emerging on the international market and "expanding
eastward" (EU, see your messages above), and with growing internal
problems (unemployment, layoffs, cut backs in social spending)
- don't you think, that much of the fuss that is being made about supposed
new terrorist threats in the form of "José Padillas", is just a
tactical manouvre in order to divert the attention of the American Public
from the REAL problems the USA are facing?

juttafranz: Carl, "WE"? Then, what are you and I still doing here in
doomed virtual reality?

jutta_schmitt2002: Would, if the American Public was aware of the
REAL problems their country is facing, not withdraw support
from the current administration, if it was not for the "war against
terrorism frenzy", that psychologically conditions people to "stand
united" behind an otherwise completely inefficient government?

jutta_schmitt2002: Franz: In brief, the REAL problem of the USA,
as well as of any other nation or better, nationally based but
internationally operating corporations, is stagnating capital accumuluation.
The remedy: WORLD WAR III!

"…there could be an Earth like planet in orbit around this star with abundent life
but a technological culture like ours, so close to our own system seems
out of the question. Mammals as well as humans owe their existence to the
asteriod impact 65 million years ago that set the stage for new kinds of
life to emerge. The whole history of the development of humans as a
technological culture and species has so many millions of twists and turns
that civilizations like ours and more advanced then ours must be very few
and far between in the universe.

juttafranz: And, now, what next? Till now, capitalist production overcame
its mortal contradictions, will it outlive this one?

jutta_schmitt2002: WORLD WAR III as a formidable means of destruction
of capital and labour.

carlzim:
If we do manage to find a water planet with oxygen and life in this
system, getting at least a robot probe there is not difficult. No, we
don't have warp drive or even fusion powered craft, let alone
the technology to even build or test a fusion reactor. We do have a
concept that was deloped in the 1950s called Orion. This is a
way to accelerate a package to a respectable percentage of the speed of
light. The Orion spacecraft consists of the payload, the fuel supply, 2
or 3 huge shock absorbers (each as big as a Saturn rocket) and a huge,
thick, hemispherical steel plate at the rear of the craft. This craft
uses nuclear bombs for propulsion.

carlzim: Bombs in the 10 to 15 KT range are
fired out a tube running down the ship through the big steel plate. The
bombs are then exploded a few dozen meters behind the plate. about one
ever 2 or 3 seconds. The explosions push the spacecraft forward.
Calculations put this as being able to drive the spacecraft at 20 to 30
percent of the speed of light.

carlzim: This could get a probe out to this star
system in about 120 or so years, plus add another 41 years to receive the
data gathered by the probe. If it turns out this is a habitable planet
then it is money in the bank, a sort of retirement account that we can't
touch until our technology allows massive colony ships to be built to
actually colonize such a world."

juttafranz: Yes, but Capitalism, Labour, in doing this, is commiting hara-kiri.

jutta_schmitt2002: Franz and Carl, I think in 1998, a private entrepreneur
claimed posession of an asteroide - the first step of
"privatizing space"! Perhaps, capitalism in the sense of profit production still
does have a lease of life, if it goes galactical?

juttafranz: It seems that the Japanese "human-bombs" , the Mideast ones
and the Twin Tower ones, are all just premonitions,
forebodes of the coming, total collapse, the total "eclipse of reason".

carlzim: No Hara-Kari-beaming closer to reality--Scientists Claim Teleporting
Success-from a forum:

Tue Jun 18,2002 -- A team of physicists at the Australian National
University (ANU) announced on Monday they had successfully disembodied a
laser beam in one location and rebuilt it in a different spot about one
meter away in the blink of an eye. Project leader Dr. Ping Koy Lam said
there was a close resemblance between what his team had achieved and the
movement of people in the science fiction series Star Trek but reality was
still light years off beaming human beings between locations. "In theory
there is nothing stopping us from doing it but the complexity of the
problem is so huge that no one is thinking seriously about it at the moment. "

juttafranz: And now, even the $, with all the trust in divinity, is fading into
corrupt Enron oblivion.

jutta_schmitt2002: Carl, remember the outstanding film "The Fly" (Jeff
Goldblum version)!

carlzim: Lam told a news conference. However Lam said science was not too
far from being able to teleport solid matter from one location to another.
"My prediction is...it will probably be done by someone in the next three
to five years, that is the teleportation of a single atom," said Lam, who
has worked on teleporting since 1997. But he said humans posed a
near-impossible task as we are made up of zillions of atoms -- quantified
by a one with 27 zeroes -- so forget Star Trek where the Starship
Enterprise crew step into a transporter, vaporise, then re-assemble
elsewhere.

carlzim: Yep, Jutta
carlzim: The laser beam was destroyed during teleporting which is
achieved using a process known as quantum entanglement. However the
breakthrough opens up enormous possibilities for future super-fast and
super-secure communications systems, such as quantum computers over the
next decade."

juttafranz: Carl, will that era ever materialize, taking into consideration
the current rapid putrefaction and decay of humanity as a
species?

jutta_schmitt2002: Teleporting solid matter from one location to another,
imagine the chaos, Carl - reminds me of "teletransporting
abstract matter" (capital) from one market to another and subsequent chaos
on the financial markets....

jutta_schmitt2002: I'm sorry to realize that Scottie will never be able to
"beam us up", Carl.

juttafranz: Then, it has to happen very soon, within years, else as the
Germans say: "Der Ofen ist aus!"

missnaranjahit: Carl as far as I know they reportet about teleportation
of single Light quantums two years ago (this was in Scientific
American).

jutta_schmitt2002: Stella, I think I remember that article - you sent it to us,
it must still be somewhere in the depth of our archives ...

juttafranz: In any case, this galactic rendezvous will only be for the remaining,
cloned elites; Ali, Bin, Moselekatse, Vitzli, all will be
stone-dead soon; the first graves are already in Afghanistan.

juttafranz: Or do you think that anybody else would have a chance of galactic
"survival", Carl?

jutta_schmitt2002: Agreed, Franz. For us, the lumpenproletariat of the planet,
"ist der Ofen aus". If any, the "Aphas" and "Omegas"
will take over.

juttafranz: Stella, I did not know that you were so bright and brilliant, we will
teleport your photons and light quantums to Venus
soon!

missnaranjahit: I am neither bright nor brilliant, and I don't want to go to Venus,
teleport me to SanOnofre and it will be ok.

carlzim: Franz, anyone who contributes to the galactic market will survive...

jutta_schmitt2002: So, summarizing "our times": Overproduction,
underconsumption, decline of investment, stagnating accumulation
of capital due to "overaccumulation", World War III - who would not
want to be "teleported to elsewhere" ?! And imagine Carl,
historically, the human species has gone through so much pain and
accumulation crises on planet earth, why repeat the joke on a
galactical level?

juttafranz: At the rate of the decline of the virtual surplus value of the
$, we can virtually measure the rate of the decay of the "damned
of the earth", the geometric progression of pauperization of the
"speaking-tools", Jutta.

jutta_schmitt2002: I would not want to have to "seek employment"
as an airlock tekkie, risk my life, be underpaid, and vegetate just
below the galactic poverty line, folks.

carlzim: Tremendous opportunities to build new worlds rather than be
stuck in old world.

jutta_schmitt2002: Let's build new worlds, Carl - but not with capital
and the market.

juttafranz: Yes, Carl, can you imagine the voracious, devouring, lustful
corporate presidents on Jupiter. By Jove, please not!

carlzim: Airlock tekkies will be well paid-save space communities from suffocation.

jutta_schmitt2002: Who saves us from suffocation here on planet earth?
And if they fail here, why would we want to assume they
succeeded in Space?

juttafranz: Jutta, we need not build, not construct "new worlds", there are
zillions to "discover", but not to colonize.

missnaranjahit: Folks this is an interesting chat indeed, but I have to attend
a little party here, to give my congrats to a guy who passed
his final examinations at University.

juttafranz: Carl, because cloning is "in", the blood of the zombies will be
different, the holograms don't need oxygen.

jutta_schmitt2002: Spineless, boneless, muscleless Space People - a new
species of brain-centered creatures who do not need their
bodies anymore? - Stella, sorry to see you leave!

jutta_schmitt2002: Hang in there, Stella. We will soon be celebrating
your own victory! ))

jutta_schmitt2002: Carl, you know I do like that slogan of yours -
"building our own worlds from scratch". However I think this
would have to do with something never before thought and never
before acted - something authentically new, to avoid ending up with
the same drama.

juttafranz: Carl, those galactic conquistadores will be other types of
beings, they will not live on bread and oxygen alone.
juttafranz: They might just need vodka, nectar and manna.

jutta_schmitt2002: They are the only ones on the planet who survive on Vodka.

jutta_schmitt2002: Gagarin - no, who? Ilyushin - the first Russian in Space.

juttafranz: One left, came back, and there was no Soviet Union anymore,
only Russia. Imagine if that happens in the United States,
and one comes back, and there's no Statue of Liberty anymore.

carlzim: An Israeli astronaut will make a NASA space voyage this summer
( eriously).

jutta_schmitt2002: Well Franz, cataclysmic surprises like that happen. -
Carl, just think of the International Space Station - a
"multinational" project in the sense of the word.

jutta_schmitt2002: The home base for future Space Exploration and Colonization?

juttafranz: Carl, leaving aside the "disinformation" for the public, what
they tell about space-walks and the like, what could really be
the current state of affairs? How advanced are they already, in the interpenetration
of the galaxy?
juttafranz: The answer to this question would explain the current global reality,
not virtuality, much more precise and decisive.

jutta_schmitt2002: But who knows, Carl, with Lam and his team operating on
the frontier of teletransportation, they will be opening a
direct Channel "Dover - Calais" from Earth to Moon, soon.

carlzim: Electropnic Mind Control (EMC)-Some insurance vs. disappearance of USA

"...Some of (these Electronic Mind Control (EMC) devices) are remarkably
easy to build. For example, a bar magnet can be placed
on a (gramophone; LP record) turn table and it will affect everyone within
300 meters. The magnetic field entrains the nervous system
at the given frequency of the turn table. A slow frequency (say 7 cps) will put
everyone to sleep, and a higher frequency (say 33 cps)
will make them alert. So you can put the neighborhood asleep during the day,
and give it insomnia during the night. Pretty soon,
everyone in the neighborhood will have such a screwed up sleep pattern that
they will go crazy."

jutta_schmitt2002: The "human condition" is not apt for serious, long term
Space Travel so far - at least that is what they publicly say.
Too much impact on the human body in terms of the deterioration of basic
physical functions. After half a year of travelling, the
astronauts would be cripples.

juttafranz: One thing is sure, if our "information" is obsolete "newspeak",
and if it does not reflect current reality, but knowledge of the
last millennium, then, we are just victims of pan et circenses, blocking a fake
"Castor", while the radio-active material has already
reached its destination.

carlzim: For numerous credible, scientific articles on Electronic Mind
Control (EMC), after chat, visit:
http://www.raven1.net/uncom.htm

juttafranz: We will, but where do we find the information about the planetary
cities, the colonies, etc., Carl?

jutta_schmitt2002: Thanks for the url, Carl. - I have been following your
discussion with Bill Lyne on electronic mind control. Franz,
that is the big "incognitum": How (dis-)informed are we really?

juttafranz: If I look at the level of knowledge about current reality of billions,
then, I just wonder how much behind the moon we still
are, Jutta.

juttafranz: For this very reason, we have to find ways, means and methods
to overcome our ignorance and folly.

juttafranz: You don't need to jump around on the moon, looking for a toilet
room to get rid of the effects of Castor Oil, to know what
is happening on the moon.

juttafranz: Similarly, we do not need to study the classified literature, to know
the current state of affairs.

jutta_schmitt2002: Agreed, Franz - we can perfectly deduce the current state
of affairs from the daily "information" we get.

juttafranz: Putting the figments together, knowing that the truth is exactly the
opposite, reading between the lines of Larry King, and
studying history and political economy, we could get an exact idea.

juttafranz: Anyhow, these things we will discuss next time. I must go and live
on bread now -- hungry!
juttafranz: Carl, it was fun, thanks for the new information that you posted.

jutta_schmitt2002: Okay, Franz and Carl. Let's continue next Wednesday. It's
been a pleasure.

juttafranz: Bye, Folks!! Till next Wednesday --- soon, we could change our
chats back to Thursday again!
juttafranz: My Thursday afternoon class ends in a fortnight.

jutta_schmitt2002: Yes, important: After July 4th, we will be conducting our
chats on Thursday afternoon again.
jutta_schmitt2002: Until then, it's Wednesday afternoon.

carlzim: Kazakh, Uzbek, Azerbaydjan, Belorussian
Thank you:
Teshekkurler/Rahmat/Spasibo/

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