" nonpositivism:
Franz, be careful with your distortions. When 75% of all families in a society
DIRECTLY VOTE on war or peace, it seems far more democratic than even
your contemporary "Bolivar Republic" in Venezuela. :>
juttafranz:
So let the fathers of democracy enjoy their democracy, and leave the rest
of the world to become mad, to get crazy, as a result of democratic exploitation
and oppression.
nonpositivism:
Franz, do you want to talk to merely propagandize, or do you want to truly
confront the historic facts without bogus rhetoric and hyperbole?
carlzim:
Russia had a viable middle class under Brezhnev--destroyed by globalization.
jutta_schmitt2002:
Democracy is exactly the clever prevention and pre-emption of "mob rule".
Those on the very bottom line of society have no value whatsoever for the
system - no exchange value, no use value. And if democracy never really was
about "perfect inclusion" anyway, why should we complain all of a sudden?
Why should we bother about the ever growing mass of poor people all over
the planet, who are excluded from any kind of decision making, often in their
"own" countries, and who are just confined to vegetate their lives and die?
Why should we bother about the exclusion of nature´s rights, why should we bother at all?
juttafranz:
The VOTE? Scott, our next chat will be on the VOTE. On the
myth of the VOTE, and how it is conditioned, manipulated, instilled by mass
media, socialization, education, religion, customs, ideology, great man conceptions
of history, etc. It is the greatest imaginable farce, and you still consider
it to be scientific? What happened to the American VOTE there
next door, in Florida?
nonpositivism:
Jutta, Your concept of democracy is way off, both in its conceptual and historic
development. Its premise is universal apprehension of right and wrong and
the perfectibility of man, not his cooptation. You are confusing this with
the operative distortions waged by Empires of the last few centuries.
carlzim:
And the myths of the courts?
carlzim:
And the media?
nonpositivism:
Franz, it's a lot harder to defraud the pebble count than millions of microelectron
voltages. See my last comments to Jutta.
THE CURRENT GLOBAL
FASCIST SITUATION IV
GENERAL DISCUSSION:
CONCERNING VENEZUELA AND IRAQ, RACISM
& DEMOCRACY,
FEBRUARY 27, 2003.)
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Published on Sunday,
March 2, 2003 by the Observer/UK
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Revealed: US Dirty Tricks to Win Vote on Iraq War
Secret document details American plan to bug phones and emails of key Security Council members |
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Martin Bright, Ed Vulliamy in New York and Peter Beaumont
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The United States is conducting a secret 'dirty tricks' campaign against UN Security Council delegations in New York as part of its battle to win votes in favor of war against Iraq. Details of the aggressive surveillance operation, which involves interception of the home and office telephones and the emails of UN delegates in New York, are revealed in a document leaked to The Observer. The disclosures were made in a memorandum written by a top official at the National Security Agency - the US body which intercepts communications around the world - and circulated to both senior agents in his organization and to a friendly foreign intelligence agency asking for its input. The memo describes orders to staff at the agency, whose work is clouded in secrecy, to step up its surveillance operations 'particularly directed at... UN Security Council Members (minus US and GBR, of course)' to provide up-to-the-minute intelligence for Bush officials on the voting intentions of UN members regarding the issue of Iraq. The leaked memorandum makes clear that the target of the heightened surveillance efforts are the delegations from Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Mexico, Guinea and Pakistan at the UN headquarters in New York - the so-called 'Middle Six' delegations whose votes are being fought over by the pro-war party, led by the US and Britain, and the party arguing for more time for UN inspections, led by France, China and Russia. The memo is directed at senior NSA officials and advises them that the agency is 'mounting a surge' aimed at gleaning information not only on how delegations on the Security Council will vote on any second resolution on Iraq, but also 'policies', 'negotiating positions', 'alliances' and 'dependencies' - the 'whole gamut of information that could give US policymakers an edge in obtaining results favorable to US goals or to head off surprises'. Dated 31 January 2003, the memo was circulated four days after the UN's chief weapons inspector Hans Blix produced his interim report on Iraqi compliance with UN resolution 1441. It was sent by Frank Koza, chief of staff in the 'Regional Targets' section of the NSA, which spies on countries that are viewed as strategically important for United States interests. Koza specifies that the information will be used for the US's 'QRC' - Quick Response Capability - 'against' the key delegations. Suggesting the levels of surveillance of both the office and home phones of UN delegation members, Koza also asks regional managers to make sure that their staff also 'pay attention to existing non-UN Security Council Member UN-related and domestic comms [office and home telephones] for anything useful related to Security Council deliberations'. Koza also addresses himself to the foreign agency, saying: 'We'd appreciate your support in getting the word to your analysts who might have similar more indirect access to valuable information from accesses in your product lines [i.e., intelligence sources].' Koza makes clear it is an informal request at this juncture, but adds: 'I suspect that you'll be hearing more along these lines in formal channels.' Disclosure of the US operation comes in the week that Blix will make what many expect to be his final report to the Security Council. It also comes amid increasingly threatening noises from the US towards undecided countries on the Security Council who have been warned of the unpleasant economic consequences of standing up to the US. Sources in Washington familiar with the operation said last week that there had been a division among Bush administration officials over whether to pursue such a high-intensity surveillance campaign with some warning of the serious consequences of discovery. The existence of the surveillance operation, understood to have been requested by President Bush's National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, is deeply embarrassing to the Americans in the middle of their efforts to win over the undecided delegations. The language and content of the memo were judged to be authentic by three former intelligence operatives shown it by The Observer. We were also able to establish that Frank Koza does work for the NSA and could confirm his senior post in the Regional Targets section of the organization The NSA main switchboard put The Observer through to extension 6727 at the agency which was answered by an assistant, who confirmed it was Koza's office. However, when The Observer asked to talk to Koza about the surveillance of diplomatic missions at the United Nations, it was then told 'You have reached the wrong number'. On protesting that the assistant had just said this was Koza's extension, the assistant repeated that it was an erroneous extension, and hung up. While many diplomats at the UN assume they are being bugged, the memo reveals for the first time the scope and scale of US communications intercepts targeted against the New York-based missions. The disclosure comes at a time when diplomats from the countries have been complaining about the outright 'hostility' of US tactics in recent days to persuade then to fall in line, including threats to economic and aid packages. The
operation appears to have been spotted by rival organizations in Europe. 'The
Americans are being very purposeful about this,' said a source at a European
intelligence agency when asked about the US surveillance efforts. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0302-01.htm |